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    Posted: Jul/14/2010 at 04:02

WOW! While Pigpen is working on maneuvers resulting in spins (Inverted / upright) I am still trying to get my landing to be more of a landing as opposed to an arrival. We both bought our aircraft about the same time. Regardless, my landings seem to be getting worst, not better. Though I would run some data by the forum and see if there are any suggestions. The aircraft was built in 1977 and sports the shorter gear, a Scott 3200 tail wheel, and is powered by a 200 HP IO360 turning a three blade fixed pitch Catto prop. Empty weight is about 1160 lbs. I weight 180 and passengers generally not over 200 lbs. I believe the airspeed indicator to be accurate +- 5 MPH. I used to use 100 MPH as my approach speed. This speed seemed to be ok as long as I did not flare too high. I am trying to bring it down to 90 MPH. In wings level flight I see my rate of decent around 700 FPM. When banking down wind through final to touch down it can go up to 1500. At 90 I seem to drop in. My last landing I used 100 and added power at the last moment. It was greased on in a 3 point attitude. I am beginning to think 90 will work but will need to add power to arrest my decent. I would be very interested in the methods and speeds others are using in the Skybolt.  

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Quote pigpenracing Replybullet Posted: Jul/14/2010 at 04:18
Whats up Ken? Well my landings are getting pretty good. I use 100 mph on base and final. I tried slower and my landings are bouncy and crappy. I spoke to the guy that flew my plane for 20 years and he used 100 mph also with my same style of landing. I do not come in with power all the way off. Even if I chop the power to get it down I always add power back in over the numbers. Not alot of power but just enough to keep it flying instead of coming down to fast. I pull it to idle when the wheels are about a couple inches from the runway and hold the stick in my lap. This is the only way I can land nice. I tried 80 mph and 90mph but like 95 to 100. 25 psi tire pressure not 42. LOL!!! By the way I got two softie seatpacks and they are excellent. The plane is just as comfortable with the chutes on.
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Quote Biplane45 Replybullet Posted: Jul/14/2010 at 08:06
Check my older post: How's a Skybolt handle/land?
 
  Just a few thoughts on landing the Skybolt.
 A few years ago, I had previously flown a half dozen factory built taildragger's over the years and thought I had a good understanding of landing tailwheeled aircraft.  I was wrong.
 Experimental biplanes, specifically the "Bolt", are not difficult to land, but I view them as tricky to land smoothly on pavement with consistency. In other words; they are easy to land, but not easy to land well, on pavement, all the time.
 My observations.
 - Limited forward visibility. This, can only be reconciled through practice and familiarity. The Skybolt comes down the slot about 90 mph with good over the nose visibility from the back seat. A bit daunting at first when there's a head up front. But, a rounded pattern and looking ahead and to the side in the flare helps to gauge the height and find the ground during touchdown. At an empty weight of aprox 1200lbs and a fixed pitch IO-360 up front, 85 mph over the numbers makes for a predictable flare and 3 point touchdown in my plane.
 My preference is to 3 point. Wheel landings are better for heavier fast taildraggers, or ac with less rudder authority. Skybolt's have lot's of rudder.  Just my two cents on that.
I do notice that she lands a bit easier with low fuel and I'm solo. Probably due to the improved vis and lighter handling.
 I do my best landings with a close in 100 mph downwind, 90 abeam the numbers at which I retard throttle to idle, 85 over the numbers, stop descent and level out in ground effect about a foot off and she settles on in the three point attitude.
 - Now, about full stall landings in my Skybolt. Due to the length of the gear, mine being the shorter bungee type, full stall landings aren't possible. I still have lot's of aft stick left at touchdown in the 3 point attitude. If I get her slower, she'll touch tail first, which, is better than mains first when going for a 3 pointer. I've found that if I drop her on and the mains touch first, I get the rodeo bronc ride (embarrassing.) And of course, there's always the gratifying tailwheel shimmy, which is usually blamed on the TW but has more to do with the pilot's technique. 
 I've heard from a couple pilots that they thought the Skybolt's landed hot for a plane that stalls at 55 mph. OK, maybe they seem that way compared to a C-140 or Starduster, but, probably not compared to other biplanes with symetric airfoils. I think the higher approach/landing speed is offset by the rapid deceleration caused by the induced drag from two wings in the flare. It's no Pitts, but it's simply not a spam can or monoplane either. I'd guess Skybolts handle right between a Decathelon and a Pitts.
 - About Skybolt stalls.  Like most biplanes, the top wing stalls first, shifting the center of lift aft to the still flying lower wing. Nose drops, nice predictable handling. The Skybolt, in power off stalls, mushes without notice into a fully controllable positive alfa descent. No buffet, no wobble, she's a peach. If one wishes a bit more exitement, one can hold a more aggressive nose high or a power on stall to get a more pronounced departure buffet and break. Again predictable, with little yaw and roll that is easily overcome with twig and pedals.
  Admittedly, I had been away from flying a few years when I bought my Skybolt 6 years ago. And, I was a bit intimidated by her at first. But I overcame the first date jitter's and now we're good friends. Just thought a few might like to hear my experiences and thought's about her. Sage tailwheel drivers might yawn at what I've posted, but I do so mostly for the nugget that's walking a new path. Hope this answers a few of their questions. Have fun, and keep her straight.


Edited by Biplane45 - Jul/14/2010 at 08:09
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Quote elvins Replybullet Posted: Jul/14/2010 at 08:09
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I suggest you take your aircraft to a safe altitude and try out the following manouvers.
Establish your aircrafts indicated stall speed. In my case if I remember it correctly it was 56 mph
At the safe altitude, starting at 90 mph set up in the landing configuration and put in large left , then right roll inputs, at the same time watching the nose to make sure that it dosn't wander left or right. Continue this exersize reducing the speed by 5mph each time and if your aircraft performs similarly to mine you will find that there is no adverse aileron yaw right down to just above the stall speed. It is this adverse yaw that could could spoil your day at low speed and altitude (ie landing).
My field at the time ( here in the UK ) was 300 yards, hedge to hedge and I can tell you that if I managed to stop 10 yards from the hedge it was a good day.
If you apply stall speed times 1.2 plus a bit you will be achieving perfect three pointers. In my case I used 70mph and it cured the only vice the aircraft had.
90 over the hedge with a low stall speed leaves the wing with a lot of surplus lift energy in the roll and it is probably this that is your problem. Lets put it this way, after I air tested mine  I could stop in just over 200 yards similar to my Starduster Two which was a pussy cat.
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Quote kpin Replybullet Posted: Jul/15/2010 at 06:54

Biplane 45,  I think I have to agree with everything you have said. I am pleased to see someone confirm my suspicions. I forgot the effect a symmetrical airfoil would have on landing and could not figure out why I needed to carry so much speed to make a smooth landing on pavement.

Thanks for the response.

Ken Pincince
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